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"Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message

news:0c576720-ff7c-4b93-b305-aa5d2ce446ed@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com…
Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
all in the same small post.  Are you trying to set some
sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?
On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
[ . . . ]
> It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
> for a lot more than 2 years .

There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
Show a linear regression, with supporting
confidence computation.
********************************

PDO And Solar Correlate Better Than CO2

AND NEGATIVE CORRELATION FOR CO2 FROM 1998

http://www.junkscience.com:80/blog_js/2008/01/25/warming-trend-pdo-an…

Joe D’Aleo, an AMS Certified Consulting Meteorologist, one of the
founders of The Weather Channel and who operates the website ICECAP took
it upon himself to do an analysis of the newly released USHCN2 surface
temperature data set and compare it against measured trends of CO2,
Pacific Decadal Oscillation, and Solar Irradiance. to see which one
matched better.

It’s a simple experiment; compare the trends by running an R2
correlation on the different data sets. The result is a coefficient of
determination that tells you how well the trend curves match. When the
correlation is 1.0, you have a perfect match between two curves. The
lower the number, the lower the trend correlation.

Understanding R2 correlation

 R2 Coefficient Match between data trends

1.0 Perfect

.90 Good

.50 Fair

.25 Poor

 0 or negative no match at all

If CO2 is the main driver of climate change this last century, it stands
to reason that the trend of surface temperatures would follow the trend
of CO2, and thus the R2 correlation between the two trends would be
high. Since NCDC has recently released the new USHCN2 data set for
surface temperatures, which promises improved detection and removal of
false trends introduced by change points in the data, such as station
moves, it seemed like an opportune time to test the correlation.

At the same time,  R2 correlation tests were run on other possible
drivers of climate; Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), Atlantic
Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), and Total Solar Irradiance (TSI).

First lets look at the surface temperature record. Here we see the
familiar plot of temperature over the last century as it has been
plotted by NASA GISS:

The temperature trend is unmistakeably upwards, and the change over the
last century is about +0.8°C.

Now lets look at the familiar carbon dioxide graph, known as the Keeling
Curve, which plots atmospheric CO2 concentration measure at the Mauna
Loa Observatory:

CDIAC (Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center – Oak Ridge National
Lab) also has a data set for this that includes CO2 data back to the
last century (1895) extracted from ice core samples.  That CO2 data set
was plotted against the new USHCN2 surface temperature data as shown
below:

A comparison of the 11year running mean of the USHCN version 2 annual
mean temperatures with the running mean of CO2 from CDIAC. An r-squared
of 0.44 was found.

The results were striking to say the least. An R2 correlation of only
0.44 was determined, placing it between fair and poor in the fit between
the two data sets.

Now lets look at other potential drivers of climate,  TSI and PDO.

Scafetta and West (2007) have suggested that the total solar irradiance
(TSI) is a good proxy for the total solar effect which may be
responsible for at least 50% of the warming since 1900. To test it,
again the same R2 correlation was run on the two data sets.

In this case, the correlation of TSI to the surface temperature record
is better than with CO2, producing an R2 correlation of 0.57 which is
between fair and good.

Finally. Joe ran the R2 correlation test on PDO, the Pacfic Decadal

Oscillation. He writes:

We know both the Pacific and Atlantic undergo multidecadal cycles the
order of 50 to 70 years. In the Pacific this cycle is called the Pacific
Decadal Oscillation. A warm Pacific (positive PDO Index) as we found
from 1922 to 1947 and again 1977 to 1997 has been found to be
accompanied by more El Ninos, while a cool Pacific more La Ninas (in
both cases a frequency difference of close to a factor of 2). Since El
Ninos have been shown to lead to global warming and La Ninas global
cooling, this should have an affect on annual mean temperature trends in
North America.

This PDO and TSI to surface temperature connection has also been pointed
out in previous post I made here, for former California State
Climatologist, Jim Goodridge. PDO affects the USA more than the Atlantic
cycle (AMO) because we have prevailing westerly wind flow.

Here is how Joe did the data correlation:

Since the warm modes of the PDO and AMO both favor warming and their
cold modes cooling, I though the sum of the two may provide a useful
index of ocean induced warming for the hemisphere (and US). I
standardized the two data bases and summed them and correlated with the
USHCN data, again using a 11 point smoothing as with the CO2 and TSI.

This was the jackpot correlation with the highest value of r-squared
(0.83!!!).

An R2 correlation of 0.83 would be considered "good". This indicates
that PDO and our surface temperature is more closely tied together than
Co2 to surface temperature by almost a factor of 2.

But he didn’t stop there. He also looked at the last decade where it has
been commonly opined that the Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All
Been In Last 13 Years to see how well the correlation was in the last
decade:

Since temperatures have stabilized in the last decade, we looked at the
correlation of the CO2 with HCSN data. Greenhouse theory and models
predict an accelerated warming with the increasing carbon dioxide.

Instead, a negative correlation between USHCN and CO2 was found in the
last decade with an R or Pearson Coefficient of -0.14, yielding an
r-squared of 0.02.

According to CO2 theory, we should see long term rise of mean
temperatures, and while there may be yearly patterns of weather that
diminish the effect of the short term, one would expect to see some sort
of correlation over a decade. But it appears that with an R2 correlation
of only 0.02, there isn’t any match over the past ten years.

As another test, this analysis was also done on Britain’s Hadley Climate
Research Unit (CRU) data and MSU’s (John Christy) satellite temperature
data:

To ensure that was not just an artifact of the United States data, we
did a similar correlation of the CO2 with the CRU global and MSU lower
tropospheric monthlies over the same period. We found a similar non
existent correlation of just 0.02 for CRU and 0.01 for the MSU over
troposphere.

 So with R2 correlations of .01 and .02 what this shows is that the
rising CO2 trend does not match the satellite data either.

Here are the different test correlations in a summary table:

And his conclusion:

Clearly the US annual temperatures over the last century have correlated
far better with cycles in the sun and oceans than carbon dioxide. The
correlation with carbon dioxide seems to have vanished or even reversed
in the last decade.

Given the recent cooling of the Pacific and Atlantic and rapid decline
in solar activity, we might anticipate given these correlations,
temperatures to accelerate downwards shortly.

While this isn’t a "smoking gun" it is as close as anything I’ve seen.
Time will give us the qualified answer as we have expectations of a
lower Solar Cycle 24 and changes in the Pacific now happening.

References:

US Temperatures and Climate Factors since 1895 , Joeseph D’Aleo, 2008

Persistence in California Weather Patterns,  Jim Goodridge, 2007

Phenomenological reconstructions of the solar signature in the Northern
Hemisphere surface temperature records since 1600  Scafetta and West,
2007

The USHCN Version 2 Serial Monthly Dataset, National Climatic Data
Center, 2007

Warmest Regards

Bonzo

".it should not be surprising to see hordes of former Reds, or of those
who otherwise would have become Reds, turning from Marxism and becoming
the Greens of the ecology movement. It is the same fundamental
philosophy in a different guise, ready as ever to wage war on the
freedom and well-being of the individual." Dr. George Reisman’s book
Capitalism

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  1. admin says:

    "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message

    news:0c576720-ff7c-4b93-b305-aa5d2ce446ed@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com…
    Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    all in the same small post.  Are you trying to set some
    sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    [ . . . ]
    > It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    > for a lot more than 2 years .

    There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    Show a linear regression, with supporting
    confidence computation.
    *******************************

    PDO And Solar Correlate Better Than CO2

    AND NEGATIVE CORRELATION FOR CO2 FROM 1998

    http://www.junkscience.com:80/blog_js/2008/01/25/warming-trend-pdo-an

    Joe D’Aleo, an AMS Certified Consulting Meteorologist, one of the
    founders of The Weather Channel and who operates the website ICECAP took
    it upon himself to do an analysis of the newly released USHCN2 surface
    temperature data set and compare it against measured trends of CO2,
    Pacific Decadal Oscillation, and Solar Irradiance. to see which one
    matched better.

    It’s a simple experiment; compare the trends by running an R2
    correlation on the different data sets. The result is a coefficient of
    determination that tells you how well the trend curves match. When the
    correlation is 1.0, you have a perfect match between two curves. The
    lower the number, the lower the trend correlation.

    Understanding R2 correlation

     R2 Coefficient Match between data trends

    1.0 Perfect

    .90 Good

    .50 Fair

    .25 Poor

     0 or negative no match at all

    If CO2 is the main driver of climate change this last century, it stands
    to reason that the trend of surface temperatures would follow the trend
    of CO2, and thus the R2 correlation between the two trends would be
    high. Since NCDC has recently released the new USHCN2 data set for
    surface temperatures, which promises improved detection and removal of
    false trends introduced by change points in the data, such as station
    moves, it seemed like an opportune time to test the correlation.

    At the same time,  R2 correlation tests were run on other possible
    drivers of climate; Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), Atlantic
    Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO), and Total Solar Irradiance (TSI).

    First lets look at the surface temperature record. Here we see the
    familiar plot of temperature over the last century as it has been
    plotted by NASA GISS:

    The temperature trend is unmistakeably upwards, and the change over the
    last century is about +0.8°C.

    Now lets look at the familiar carbon dioxide graph, known as the Keeling
    Curve, which plots atmospheric CO2 concentration measure at the Mauna
    Loa Observatory:

    CDIAC (Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center – Oak Ridge National
    Lab) also has a data set for this that includes CO2 data back to the
    last century (1895) extracted from ice core samples.  That CO2 data set
    was plotted against the new USHCN2 surface temperature data as shown
    below:

    A comparison of the 11year running mean of the USHCN version 2 annual
    mean temperatures with the running mean of CO2 from CDIAC. An r-squared
    of 0.44 was found.

    The results were striking to say the least. An R2 correlation of only
    0.44 was determined, placing it between fair and poor in the fit between
    the two data sets.

    Now lets look at other potential drivers of climate,  TSI and PDO.

    Scafetta and West (2007) have suggested that the total solar irradiance
    (TSI) is a good proxy for the total solar effect which may be
    responsible for at least 50% of the warming since 1900. To test it,
    again the same R2 correlation was run on the two data sets.

    In this case, the correlation of TSI to the surface temperature record
    is better than with CO2, producing an R2 correlation of 0.57 which is
    between fair and good.

    Finally. Joe ran the R2 correlation test on PDO, the Pacfic Decadal

    Oscillation. He writes:

    We know both the Pacific and Atlantic undergo multidecadal cycles the
    order of 50 to 70 years. In the Pacific this cycle is called the Pacific
    Decadal Oscillation. A warm Pacific (positive PDO Index) as we found
    from 1922 to 1947 and again 1977 to 1997 has been found to be
    accompanied by more El Ninos, while a cool Pacific more La Ninas (in
    both cases a frequency difference of close to a factor of 2). Since El
    Ninos have been shown to lead to global warming and La Ninas global
    cooling, this should have an affect on annual mean temperature trends in
    North America.

    This PDO and TSI to surface temperature connection has also been pointed
    out in previous post I made here, for former California State
    Climatologist, Jim Goodridge. PDO affects the USA more than the Atlantic
    cycle (AMO) because we have prevailing westerly wind flow.

    Here is how Joe did the data correlation:

    Since the warm modes of the PDO and AMO both favor warming and their
    cold modes cooling, I though the sum of the two may provide a useful
    index of ocean induced warming for the hemisphere (and US). I
    standardized the two data bases and summed them and correlated with the
    USHCN data, again using a 11 point smoothing as with the CO2 and TSI.

    This was the jackpot correlation with the highest value of r-squared
    (0.83!!!).

    An R2 correlation of 0.83 would be considered "good". This indicates
    that PDO and our surface temperature is more closely tied together than
    Co2 to surface temperature by almost a factor of 2.

    But he didn’t stop there. He also looked at the last decade where it has
    been commonly opined that the Top 11 Warmest Years On Record Have All
    Been In Last 13 Years to see how well the correlation was in the last
    decade:

    Since temperatures have stabilized in the last decade, we looked at the
    correlation of the CO2 with HCSN data. Greenhouse theory and models
    predict an accelerated warming with the increasing carbon dioxide.

    Instead, a negative correlation between USHCN and CO2 was found in the
    last decade with an R or Pearson Coefficient of -0.14, yielding an
    r-squared of 0.02.

    According to CO2 theory, we should see long term rise of mean
    temperatures, and while there may be yearly patterns of weather that
    diminish the effect of the short term, one would expect to see some sort
    of correlation over a decade. But it appears that with an R2 correlation
    of only 0.02, there isn’t any match over the past ten years.

    As another test, this analysis was also done on Britain’s Hadley Climate
    Research Unit (CRU) data and MSU’s (John Christy) satellite temperature
    data:

    To ensure that was not just an artifact of the United States data, we
    did a similar correlation of the CO2 with the CRU global and MSU lower
    tropospheric monthlies over the same period. We found a similar non
    existent correlation of just 0.02 for CRU and 0.01 for the MSU over
    troposphere.

     So with R2 correlations of .01 and .02 what this shows is that the
    rising CO2 trend does not match the satellite data either.

    Here are the different test correlations in a summary table:

    And his conclusion:

    Clearly the US annual temperatures over the last century have correlated
    far better with cycles in the sun and oceans than carbon dioxide. The
    correlation with carbon dioxide seems to have vanished or even reversed
    in the last decade.

    Given the recent cooling of the Pacific and Atlantic and rapid decline
    in solar activity, we might anticipate given these correlations,
    temperatures to accelerate downwards shortly.

    While this isn’t a "smoking gun" it is as close as anything I’ve seen.
    Time will give us the qualified answer as we have expectations of a
    lower Solar Cycle 24 and changes in the Pacific now happening.

    References:

    US Temperatures and Climate Factors since 1895 , Joeseph D’Aleo, 2008

    Persistence in California Weather Patterns,  Jim Goodridge, 2007

    Phenomenological reconstructions of the solar signature in the Northern
    Hemisphere surface temperature records since 1600  Scafetta and West,
    2007

    The USHCN Version 2 Serial Monthly Dataset, National Climatic Data
    Center, 2007

    Warmest Regards

    Bonzo

    ". researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany
    report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years,
    accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth’s temperature over
    the last 100 years."
    http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

  2. admin says:

    "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message

    news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    > > Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    > > all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    > > sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    > > On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    > > [ . . . ]

    > > > It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    > > > for a lot more than 2 years .

    > > There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    > > Show a linear regression, with supporting
    > > confidence computation.

    > > > The MSU LT data

    > > Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    > > There are many MSU LT series available.
    > > Please see:

    > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    > > > indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    > > > steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    > > > ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    > > Now your cherry picking.

    > Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    > re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    > The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.

    These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    *********************

    GARBAGE!

    Another UHI Infested Station

    21 Apr 2008

    This is why you don’t put an official NOAA temperature sensor over
    concrete

    http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com:80/2008/04/21/this-is-why-you-do

    You’d think the answer would be obvious, but here we have a NOAA
    operated USHCN climate station of record providing a live experiment. It
    always helps to illustrate with photos. Today I surveyed a sewage
    treatment plant, one of 4 stations surveyed today (though I tried for 5)
    and found that for convenience, they had made a nice concrete walkway to
    allow servicing the Fisher-Porter rain gauge, which needs a paper punch
    tape replaced one a month.

    Here is what you see in visible light:

    Here is what the infrared camera sees:

    Note that the concrete surface is around 22-24°C, while the grassy areas
    are between 12-19°C

    This station will be rated a CRN5 by this definition from the NOAA
    Climate Reference Network handbook, section 2.2.1:

    Class 5 (error >~= 5C) – Temperature sensor located next to/above an
    artificial heating source, such a building, roof top, parking lot, or
    concrete surface."

    Now a caveat: There had just been a light rain, and skies had been
    overcast, it had just started to clear and you can see some light
    shadows in the visible image. Had this rainfall and overcast not
    occurred, the differences between grass and concrete temperatures would
    likely be greater. Unfortunately I was unable to wait around for full
    sun conditions. The air temperature was 58°F (14.4°C) according to my
    thermometer at the time.

    Here is another view which shows the NOAA sensor array, the sky, and the
    evidence of recent rainfall as evidenced by the wet parking lot:

    Why NOAA allows installations like this I’ll never understand. And this
    station is a USHCN climate station of record, used in who knows how many
    climate studies.

    I’ll tell you more on this station and others I surveyed tomorrow.

    Warmest Regards

    Bonzo

    "It’s very appropriate that it [An Inconvenient Truth] got an Oscar from
    the land of make-believe." Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of the Natural
    Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP.com), Former Professor Of
    Climatology, University of Winnipeg

  3. admin says:

    "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message

    news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    > > Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    > > all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    > > sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    > > On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    > > [ . . . ]

    > > > It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    > > > for a lot more than 2 years .

    > > There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    > > Show a linear regression, with supporting
    > > confidence computation.

    > > > The MSU LT data

    > > Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    > > There are many MSU LT series available.
    > > Please see:

    > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    > > > indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    > > > steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    > > > ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    > > Now your cherry picking.

    > Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    > re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    > The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.

    These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    ***********************

    Global Temperatures, What The TRULY RURAL Stations Say

    John L. Daly

    http://wanews.org/focus/globalwarming/Default.aspx

    Truly rural stations show no warming

    Listed here are a set of historical temperature graphs from a large
    selection of mostly non-urban weather stations in both hemispheres. This
    data originated with the NASA Goddard Institute (GISS) in the USA and
    the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,
    Norwich, England. (The graphs have been generated from that data using
    the Microsoft Works spreadsheet module). With a few exceptions, large
    cities have been excluded because of Urban Heat Island Effect
    distortions to long-term data. Stations with data up to 2000 or beyond
    are indicated in red (e.g. `Data to 2001′).

    Since all the models indicate the high latitudes and polar regions
    should warm the most, it is clear that these regions should show strong
    positive signs by now of a greenhouse-induced warming. To test the
    model’s hypotheses of enhanced high latitude warming, take particular
    note of those graphs from polar and sub-polar regions which should show,
    by now, very large overall warmings. For this reason, many such polar
    stations have been included.

    Click on selected regions of this world map to go directly to the list
    of weather stations in that region.

    The above map is divided into regions. Click a region to see the listing
    of weather stations for that region.

    The record for each station can be displayed by clicking on the station
    name.

    To return to the top of this page, press your BACK button.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Canadian Arctic

     Eureka, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

     Frobisher Bay, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, Data to 1999

     Inuvik, Northwest Territory of Canada. Between 1958 and now Inuvik has
    gone from a

    little Inuit fishing village to a significant petroleum base, possibly
    affecting its record. Data to 1995

     Mould Bay, Melville Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1992

     Inukjuak, Coral Harbour & Fort Chimo. Northern Canada. Map & model.
    Winter temperatures. Data to 2000

     Coral Harbour, Frobisher Bay, Clyde, & Hall Beach, northern Canada.
    Data to 2000

     Resolute, Devon Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

     Sachs Harbor, Banks Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1985

     Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada. Also Seasonal temperatures and map. Data to
    2002

    ——————————————————————————–

    Alaska

     Bethel, in southwestern Alaska, data to 2002

     Cold Bay, Alaska Peninsula, Alaska, USA. Data to 1999

     Coral Harbour, Alaska, USA, Data to 1999

     Cordova, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    Center. Data to 1995

     Fairbanks, Alaska. Case study in urbanisation – Raw data for city and
    university – data differences between them –

    Fairbanks adjusted by NASA-GISS for urbanisation. Data to 2000

     Fairbanks & Fort Greely, Alaska, USA. Fort Greely is 137 km ESE of
    Fairbanks. Data to 1999

     Gulkana & Fort Greely, Alaska. Gulkana is in southern Alaska, 150 miles
    east-northeast of Anchorage. Data to 1999

     Point Barrow, Alaska, showing seasonal and annual temperatures. Data to
    2001

    Also see winter and summer temperatures separately

     Juneau & Kodiak, Alaska. These stations on opposite sides of the Gulf
    of Alaska validate each other. Data to 1999

     Kotzebue, Alaska, adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 1999

     Nome, Alaska, also adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 2001

     Northway, Alaska. Located in the interior. Chart from Alaska Climate
    Research Center. Data to 1994

     St Paul Island, Bering Sea, Alaska, USA. This station is far out to sea
    from Alaska. Data to 1999

     Talkeetna, Alaska, 200 km north of Anchorage. Data to 1999

     Yakutat, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    Center. Data to 1995

    ——————————————————————————–

    Greenland, Iceland, northern Norway, and the Arctic Ocean

     Akureyri & Reykjavik, Iceland. Akureyri is a remote station on the
    north coast of Iceland facing the Arctic Ocean.

    Reykjavik is the capital city of Iceland, pop. 100,000. Data to 2003

     Angmagssalik on the east coast of Greenland, is an area tipped to warm
    +10 degs. Data to 2003

     The `Arctic Rim’ – four stations, Ostrov Vize, Danmarkshavn, Svalbard
    and Franz Josef Land. Data to 2000

     Bear Island, in the Arctic Ocean directly north of Norway, just inside
    the +18 deg. contour. Data to 1999

     Bodo, Norway, is located on the far north coast of Norway, just inside
    the Arctic Circle. Data to 2003

     Danmarkshavn, Greenland, seasonal & annual temperature. Plus summer
    months temperatures. Data to 2002

     Egdesminde, Greenland. Data to 1999

     Franz Josef Land, Arctic Ocean. This station is only 10° latitude from
    the North Pole. Data to 1999

     The `GIUK Gap’. Six stations to represent the ocean gap between
    Greenland, Iceland, and UK. Data to 2000

     Godthaab on the west coast of Greenland, bears a strong similarity to
    the trend at Angmagssalik. Data to 2003

     Godthaab & Angmagssalik, Greenland, summer temperatures, the season for
    ice melt. Data to 2003

     Ilulissat, Greenland (Jakobshavn & Egedesminde). Data to 2002

     Jan Mayen Island in the Greenland Sea north of Iceland. Data to 2003

     Keflavik & Hofn, Iceland. Keflavik is a US Air Force base. Hofn is
    adjacent to the Vatnajokull Ice Cap. Data to 1999

     North Greenland stations. Thule, Dundas & Danmarkshavn. Data to 2001

     Spitzbergen, Arctic Ocean. Old data, but it shows the 1960s Arctic
    cooling very well. Data to 1975

     NY-Alesund. Also on Spitzbergen. Sea level data to 2001

     Stykkisholmur, a small community on the west coast of Iceland, 100 km
    north of Reykjavik. Data to 1998

    (thanks to Agust Bjarnason for the data). Also Stykkisholmur &
    Teigarhorn, Iceland. Data to 1999

     Thorshavn, Faeroe Islands, North Atlantic Ocean. Halfway between
    Scotland and Iceland. Data to 1999

     Thule, Dundas Radio & Danmarkshavn, in Northern Greenland. Data to 2001

     Tromo/Skatto, Norway. Data to 2003

     Vardo, Norway. Lies on the northern Arctic coast of Norway close to the
    Russian border.

    A valuable continuous long-term record from 1840. Data to 2003

    ——————————————————————————–

    Russia

     Ajan, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the Russian coast of
    the Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

     Dzardzan & Olenek, Siberia, Russia. These stations lie in the Siberian
    interior near the Lena River. Data to 1999

     Kanin Nos, Ostrov Vize, & Ostrov Dikson, Russia. On the Arctic coast of
    Russia. Map. Data to 1999

     Kirensk & Tura, Russia. Rural stations located north of Lake Baikal in
    central Siberia. Data to 2000

     Korf, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the eastern coast of
    the Kamchatka Peninsula. Data to 1999

     Murmansk, Archangelsk (Russia) & Vardo (Norway for comparison). Map.
    Data to 2001

     Nikolayevsk & Oktiabrskaya, Russia (Far East). Two stations on opposite
    sides of the Sea of Okhotsk. Map. Data to 2001

     Okhotsk, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is also on the Russian
    coast of the Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

     Ostrov Dikson, Siberia, Russia. This station lies east of the Urals on
    the Russian Arctic coast. Data to 1999 .

     Ostrov Kotel, Russia. An island in the Arctic Ocean off the northeast
    Siberian coast. Data to 1999

     Ostrov Vize, Siberia, Russia. This station is an island off the north
    coast of Siberia, northeast of

    Novaya Zemlya, deep within the Arctic Ocean. Data to 1999 .

     Salehard, Siberia, Russia. This station is located in the Russian
    Arctic and is one which got CRU very excited.

    From the graph, it is difficult to see why. Data to 1995

     Sejmchan, eastern Siberia, Russia. located inland within the far east
    territories. Data to 1999

     Turuhansk, Siberia, Russia. This station is also located in the Russian
    Arctic and also caused inexplicable

    excitement at CRU. Data to 1999

    ——————————————————————————–

    Europe

    Scandinavia

     Haparanda, Sweden. This station is on the Swedish coast of the Gulf of
    Bothnia next to the Finnish border. Data to 2003

     Jyvaskyla, Finland & Ostersund, Sweden. A pair of stations in the
    centre of these countries. Data to 2000

     Kajaani, Finland, is in central Finland close to the Russian border.
    Also

    read more »

  4. admin says:

    "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message

    news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    > > Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    > > all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    > > sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    > > On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    > > [ . . . ]

    > > > It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    > > > for a lot more than 2 years .

    > > There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    > > Show a linear regression, with supporting
    > > confidence computation.

    > > > The MSU LT data

    > > Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    > > There are many MSU LT series available.
    > > Please see:

    > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    > > > indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    > > > steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    > > > ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    > > Now your cherry picking.

    > Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    > re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    > The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.

    These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    **************************

    Global Temperatures , What The Stations Free Of UHI Say

    John L. Daly

    http://wanews.org/focus/globalwarming/Default.aspx

    Listed here are a set of historical temperature graphs from a large
    selection of mostly non-urban weather stations in both hemispheres. This
    data originated with the NASA Goddard Institute (GISS) in the USA and
    the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,
    Norwich, England. (The graphs have been generated from that data using
    the Microsoft Works spreadsheet module). With a few exceptions, large
    cities have been excluded because of Urban Heat Island Effect
    distortions to long-term data. Stations with data up to 2000 or beyond
    are indicated in red (e.g. `Data to 2001′).

    Since all the models indicate the high latitudes and polar regions
    should warm the most, it is clear that these regions should show strong
    positive signs by now of a greenhouse-induced warming. To test the
    model’s hypotheses of enhanced high latitude warming, take particular
    note of those graphs from polar and sub-polar regions which should show,
    by now, very large overall warmings. For this reason, many such polar
    stations have been included.

    Click a region to see the listing of weather stations for that region.

    ——————————————————————————–

    Canadian Arctic

     Eureka, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

     Frobisher Bay, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, Data to 1999

     Inuvik, Northwest Territory of Canada. Between 1958 and now Inuvik has
    gone from a

    little Inuit fishing village to a significant petroleum base, possibly
    affecting its record. Data to 1995

     Mould Bay, Melville Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1992

     Inukjuak, Coral Harbour & Fort Chimo. Northern Canada. Map & model.
    Winter temperatures. Data to 2000

     Coral Harbour, Frobisher Bay, Clyde, & Hall Beach, northern Canada.
    Data to 2000

     Resolute, Devon Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

     Sachs Harbor, Banks Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1985

     Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada. Also Seasonal temperatures and map. Data to
    2002

    ——————————————————————————–

    Alaska

     Bethel, in southwestern Alaska, data to 2002

     Cold Bay, Alaska Peninsula, Alaska, USA. Data to 1999

     Coral Harbour, Alaska, USA, Data to 1999

     Cordova, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    Center. Data to 1995

     Fairbanks, Alaska. Case study in urbanisation – Raw data for city and
    university – data differences between them –

    Fairbanks adjusted by NASA-GISS for urbanisation. Data to 2000

     Fairbanks & Fort Greely, Alaska, USA. Fort Greely is 137 km ESE of
    Fairbanks. Data to 1999

     Gulkana & Fort Greely, Alaska. Gulkana is in southern Alaska, 150 miles
    east-northeast of Anchorage. Data to 1999

     Point Barrow, Alaska, showing seasonal and annual temperatures. Data to
    2001

    Also see winter and summer temperatures separately

     Juneau & Kodiak, Alaska. These stations on opposite sides of the Gulf
    of Alaska validate each other. Data to 1999

     Kotzebue, Alaska, adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 1999

     Nome, Alaska, also adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 2001

     Northway, Alaska. Located in the interior. Chart from Alaska Climate
    Research Center. Data to 1994

     St Paul Island, Bering Sea, Alaska, USA. This station is far out to sea
    from Alaska. Data to 1999

     Talkeetna, Alaska, 200 km north of Anchorage. Data to 1999

     Yakutat, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    Center. Data to 1995

    ——————————————————————————–

    Greenland, Iceland, northern Norway, and the Arctic Ocean

     Akureyri & Reykjavik, Iceland. Akureyri is a remote station on the
    north coast of Iceland facing the Arctic Ocean.

    Reykjavik is the capital city of Iceland, pop. 100,000. Data to 2003

     Angmagssalik on the east coast of Greenland, is an area tipped to warm
    +10 degs. Data to 2003

     The `Arctic Rim’ – four stations, Ostrov Vize, Danmarkshavn, Svalbard
    and Franz Josef Land. Data to 2000

     Bear Island, in the Arctic Ocean directly north of Norway, just inside
    the +18 deg. contour. Data to 1999

     Bodo, Norway, is located on the far north coast of Norway, just inside
    the Arctic Circle. Data to 2003

     Danmarkshavn, Greenland, seasonal & annual temperature. Plus summer
    months temperatures. Data to 2002

     Egdesminde, Greenland. Data to 1999

     Franz Josef Land, Arctic Ocean. This station is only 10° latitude from
    the North Pole. Data to 1999

     The `GIUK Gap’. Six stations to represent the ocean gap between
    Greenland, Iceland, and UK. Data to 2000

     Godthaab on the west coast of Greenland, bears a strong similarity to
    the trend at Angmagssalik. Data to 2003

     Godthaab & Angmagssalik, Greenland, summer temperatures, the season for
    ice melt. Data to 2003

     Ilulissat, Greenland (Jakobshavn & Egedesminde). Data to 2002

     Jan Mayen Island in the Greenland Sea north of Iceland. Data to 2003

     Keflavik & Hofn, Iceland. Keflavik is a US Air Force base. Hofn is
    adjacent to the Vatnajokull Ice Cap. Data to 1999

     North Greenland stations. Thule, Dundas & Danmarkshavn. Data to 2001

     Spitzbergen, Arctic Ocean. Old data, but it shows the 1960s Arctic
    cooling very well. Data to 1975

     NY-Alesund. Also on Spitzbergen. Sea level data to 2001

     Stykkisholmur, a small community on the west coast of Iceland, 100 km
    north of Reykjavik. Data to 1998

    (thanks to Agust Bjarnason for the data). Also Stykkisholmur &
    Teigarhorn, Iceland. Data to 1999

     Thorshavn, Faeroe Islands, North Atlantic Ocean. Halfway between
    Scotland and Iceland. Data to 1999

     Thule, Dundas Radio & Danmarkshavn, in Northern Greenland. Data to 2001

     Tromo/Skatto, Norway. Data to 2003

     Vardo, Norway. Lies on the northern Arctic coast of Norway close to the
    Russian border.

    A valuable continuous long-term record from 1840. Data to 2003

    ——————————————————————————–

    Russia

     Ajan, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the Russian coast of
    the Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

     Dzardzan & Olenek, Siberia, Russia. These stations lie in the Siberian
    interior near the Lena River. Data to 1999

     Kanin Nos, Ostrov Vize, & Ostrov Dikson, Russia. On the Arctic coast of
    Russia. Map. Data to 1999

     Kirensk & Tura, Russia. Rural stations located north of Lake Baikal in
    central Siberia. Data to 2000

     Korf, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the eastern coast of
    the Kamchatka Peninsula. Data to 1999

     Murmansk, Archangelsk (Russia) & Vardo (Norway for comparison). Map.
    Data to 2001

     Nikolayevsk & Oktiabrskaya, Russia (Far East). Two stations on opposite
    sides of the Sea of Okhotsk. Map. Data to 2001

     Okhotsk, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is also on the Russian
    coast of the Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

     Ostrov Dikson, Siberia, Russia. This station lies east of the Urals on
    the Russian Arctic coast. Data to 1999 .

     Ostrov Kotel, Russia. An island in the Arctic Ocean off the northeast
    Siberian coast. Data to 1999

     Ostrov Vize, Siberia, Russia. This station is an island off the north
    coast of Siberia, northeast of

    Novaya Zemlya, deep within the Arctic Ocean. Data to 1999 .

     Salehard, Siberia, Russia. This station is located in the Russian
    Arctic and is one which got CRU very excited.

    From the graph, it is difficult to see why. Data to 1995

     Sejmchan, eastern Siberia, Russia. located inland within the far east
    territories. Data to 1999

     Turuhansk, Siberia, Russia. This station is also located in the Russian
    Arctic and also caused inexplicable

    excitement at CRU. Data to 1999

    ——————————————————————————–

    Europe

    Scandinavia

     Haparanda, Sweden. This station is on the Swedish coast of the Gulf of
    Bothnia next to the Finnish border. Data to 2003

     Jyvaskyla, Finland & Ostersund, Sweden. A pair of stations in the
    centre of these countries. Data to 2000

     Kajaani, Finland, is in central Finland close to the Russian border.
    Also includes data for Reboly, Russia

    which is only 150 km away across the border. The two are in lockstep and
    thus mutally validating. Data to 1999 .

     Sodankyla, Finland. Also in the far northern interior of Finland. Data
    to 2003

     Visby Flygpla, Sweden. This station is on an island 110 miles south of
    Stockholm. Map. Data to 2000

    read more »

  5. admin says:

    "00ZNB" <00…@ddoooo.com> wrote in message

    news:4835056a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au…

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message
    > news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    > On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >> On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    >> > Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    >> > all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    >> > sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    >> > On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >> > [ . . . ]

    >> > > It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    >> > > for a lot more than 2 years .

    >> > There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    >> > Show a linear regression, with supporting
    >> > confidence computation.

    >> > > The MSU LT data

    >> > Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    >> > There are many MSU LT series available.
    >> > Please see:

    >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    >> > > indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    >> > > steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    >> > > ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    >> > Now your cherry picking.

    >> Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    >> re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    >> The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.
    > These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    > ***********************

    > Global Temperatures, What The TRULY RURAL Stations Say

    > John L. Daly

    > http://wanews.org/focus/globalwarming/Default.aspx

    Crackpot’s definition of "correcting" = fudging

    - Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

    > Truly rural stations show no warming

    > Listed here are a set of historical temperature graphs from a large
    > selection of mostly non-urban weather stations in both hemispheres. This
    > data originated with the NASA Goddard Institute (GISS) in the USA and the
    > Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, Norwich,
    > England. (The graphs have been generated from that data using the
    > Microsoft Works spreadsheet module). With a few exceptions, large cities
    > have been excluded because of Urban Heat Island Effect distortions to
    > long-term data. Stations with data up to 2000 or beyond are indicated in
    > red (e.g. `Data to 2001′).

    > Since all the models indicate the high latitudes and polar regions should
    > warm the most, it is clear that these regions should show strong positive
    > signs by now of a greenhouse-induced warming. To test the model’s
    > hypotheses of enhanced high latitude warming, take particular note of
    > those graphs from polar and sub-polar regions which should show, by now,
    > very large overall warmings. For this reason, many such polar stations
    > have been included.

    > Click on selected regions of this world map to go directly to the list of
    > weather stations in that region.

    > The above map is divided into regions. Click a region to see the listing
    > of weather stations for that region.

    > The record for each station can be displayed by clicking on the station
    > name.

    > To return to the top of this page, press your BACK button.

    > ——————————————————————————–

    > Canadian Arctic

    > Eureka, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

    > Frobisher Bay, Baffin Island, in the Canadian Arctic, Data to 1999

    > Inuvik, Northwest Territory of Canada. Between 1958 and now Inuvik has
    > gone from a

    > little Inuit fishing village to a significant petroleum base, possibly
    > affecting its record. Data to 1995

    > Mould Bay, Melville Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1992

    > Inukjuak, Coral Harbour & Fort Chimo. Northern Canada. Map & model. Winter
    > temperatures. Data to 2000

    > Coral Harbour, Frobisher Bay, Clyde, & Hall Beach, northern Canada. Data
    > to 2000

    > Resolute, Devon Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1995.

    > Sachs Harbor, Banks Island, in the Canadian Arctic, data to 1985

    > Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada. Also Seasonal temperatures and map. Data to
    > 2002

    > ——————————————————————————–

    > Alaska

    > Bethel, in southwestern Alaska, data to 2002

    > Cold Bay, Alaska Peninsula, Alaska, USA. Data to 1999

    > Coral Harbour, Alaska, USA, Data to 1999

    > Cordova, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    > Center. Data to 1995

    > Fairbanks, Alaska. Case study in urbanisation – Raw data for city and
    > university – data differences between them –

    > Fairbanks adjusted by NASA-GISS for urbanisation. Data to 2000

    > Fairbanks & Fort Greely, Alaska, USA. Fort Greely is 137 km ESE of
    > Fairbanks. Data to 1999

    > Gulkana & Fort Greely, Alaska. Gulkana is in southern Alaska, 150 miles
    > east-northeast of Anchorage. Data to 1999

    > Point Barrow, Alaska, showing seasonal and annual temperatures. Data to
    > 2001

    > Also see winter and summer temperatures separately

    > Juneau & Kodiak, Alaska. These stations on opposite sides of the Gulf of
    > Alaska validate each other. Data to 1999

    > Kotzebue, Alaska, adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 1999

    > Nome, Alaska, also adjacent to the Bering Strait. Data to 2001

    > Northway, Alaska. Located in the interior. Chart from Alaska Climate
    > Research Center. Data to 1994

    > St Paul Island, Bering Sea, Alaska, USA. This station is far out to sea
    > from Alaska. Data to 1999

    > Talkeetna, Alaska, 200 km north of Anchorage. Data to 1999

    > Yakutat, Alaska on the south coast. Chart from Alaska Climate Research
    > Center. Data to 1995

    > ——————————————————————————–

    > Greenland, Iceland, northern Norway, and the Arctic Ocean

    > Akureyri & Reykjavik, Iceland. Akureyri is a remote station on the north
    > coast of Iceland facing the Arctic Ocean.

    > Reykjavik is the capital city of Iceland, pop. 100,000. Data to 2003

    > Angmagssalik on the east coast of Greenland, is an area tipped to warm +10
    > degs. Data to 2003

    > The `Arctic Rim’ – four stations, Ostrov Vize, Danmarkshavn, Svalbard and
    > Franz Josef Land. Data to 2000

    > Bear Island, in the Arctic Ocean directly north of Norway, just inside the
    > +18 deg. contour. Data to 1999

    > Bodo, Norway, is located on the far north coast of Norway, just inside the
    > Arctic Circle. Data to 2003

    > Danmarkshavn, Greenland, seasonal & annual temperature. Plus summer months
    > temperatures. Data to 2002

    > Egdesminde, Greenland. Data to 1999

    > Franz Josef Land, Arctic Ocean. This station is only 10° latitude from the
    > North Pole. Data to 1999

    > The `GIUK Gap’. Six stations to represent the ocean gap between Greenland,
    > Iceland, and UK. Data to 2000

    > Godthaab on the west coast of Greenland, bears a strong similarity to the
    > trend at Angmagssalik. Data to 2003

    > Godthaab & Angmagssalik, Greenland, summer temperatures, the season for
    > ice melt. Data to 2003

    > Ilulissat, Greenland (Jakobshavn & Egedesminde). Data to 2002

    > Jan Mayen Island in the Greenland Sea north of Iceland. Data to 2003

    > Keflavik & Hofn, Iceland. Keflavik is a US Air Force base. Hofn is
    > adjacent to the Vatnajokull Ice Cap. Data to 1999

    > North Greenland stations. Thule, Dundas & Danmarkshavn. Data to 2001

    > Spitzbergen, Arctic Ocean. Old data, but it shows the 1960s Arctic cooling
    > very well. Data to 1975

    > NY-Alesund. Also on Spitzbergen. Sea level data to 2001

    > Stykkisholmur, a small community on the west coast of Iceland, 100 km
    > north of Reykjavik. Data to 1998

    > (thanks to Agust Bjarnason for the data). Also Stykkisholmur & Teigarhorn,
    > Iceland. Data to 1999

    > Thorshavn, Faeroe Islands, North Atlantic Ocean. Halfway between Scotland
    > and Iceland. Data to 1999

    > Thule, Dundas Radio & Danmarkshavn, in Northern Greenland. Data to 2001

    > Tromo/Skatto, Norway. Data to 2003

    > Vardo, Norway. Lies on the northern Arctic coast of Norway close to the
    > Russian border.

    > A valuable continuous long-term record from 1840. Data to 2003

    > ——————————————————————————–

    > Russia

    > Ajan, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the Russian coast of the
    > Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

    > Dzardzan & Olenek, Siberia, Russia. These stations lie in the Siberian
    > interior near the Lena River. Data to 1999

    > Kanin Nos, Ostrov Vize, & Ostrov Dikson, Russia. On the Arctic coast of
    > Russia. Map. Data to 1999

    > Kirensk & Tura, Russia. Rural stations located north of Lake Baikal in
    > central Siberia. Data to 2000

    > Korf, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is on the eastern coast of the
    > Kamchatka Peninsula. Data to 1999

    > Murmansk, Archangelsk (Russia) & Vardo (Norway for comparison). Map. Data
    > to 2001

    > Nikolayevsk & Oktiabrskaya, Russia (Far East). Two stations on opposite
    > sides of the Sea of Okhotsk. Map. Data to 2001

    > Okhotsk, eastern Siberia, Russia. This station is also on the Russian
    > coast of the Sea of Okhotsk. Data to 1999

    > Ostrov Dikson, Siberia, Russia. This station lies east of the Urals on the
    > Russian Arctic coast. Data to 1999 .

    > Ostrov Kotel, Russia. An island in the Arctic Ocean off the northeast
    > Siberian coast. Data to 1999

    > Ostrov Vize, Siberia, Russia. This station is an island off the north
    > coast of Siberia, northeast of

    > Novaya Zemlya, deep within the Arctic Ocean. Data to 1999 .

    > Salehard, Siberia, Russia. This station is located in the Russian Arctic
    > and is one which got CRU very excited.

    > From the graph, it is difficult to see why. Data to 1995

    > Sejmchan, eastern Siberia,

    read more »

  6. admin says:

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    00ZNB wrote:
    > "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message
    > news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    > On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >> On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    >>> Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    >>> all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    >>> sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    >>> On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >>> [ . . . ]

    >>>> It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    >>>> for a lot more than 2 years .

    >>> There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    >>> Show a linear regression, with supporting
    >>> confidence computation.

    >>>> The MSU LT data

    >>> Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    >>> There are many MSU LT series available.
    >>> Please see:

    >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    >>>> indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    >>>> steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    >>>> ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    >>> Now your cherry picking.

    >> Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    >> re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    >> The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.
    > These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    > *********************

    > GARBAGE!

    > Another UHI Infested Station

    > 21 Apr 2008

    > This is why you don’t put an official NOAA temperature sensor over
    > concrete

    > http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com:80/2008/04/21/this-is-why-you-do

      The usual watts lies.  lol.

  7. admin says:

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    00ZNB wrote:
    > "Roger Coppock" <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote in message
    > news:c83ad54d-8580-42bd-a352-e40098945d2a@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com…
    > On May 21, 10:14 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >> On May 22, 5:59 am, Roger Coppock <rcopp…@adnc.com> wrote:

    >>> Vague statements, unreferenced data, and cherry picking,
    >>> all in the same small post. Are you trying to set some
    >>> sort of record for non-science in a post to this newsgroup?

    >>> On May 21, 9:32 pm, chemist <tom-bol…@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    >>> [ . . . ]

    >>>> It appears that variations in Ocean currents are cooling the earth
    >>>> for a lot more than 2 years .

    >>> There’s a vague statement if there ever was one.
    >>> Show a linear regression, with supporting
    >>> confidence computation.

    >>>> The MSU LT data

    >>> Whose MSU LT product would that be?
    >>> There are many MSU LT series available.
    >>> Please see:

    >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

    >>>> indicates that the Southern Hemisphere has been
    >>>> steadily cooling for the last 6 years.
    >>>> ( Note: the SH is mostly Ocean )

    >>> Now your cherry picking.

    >> Wickpedia is not an authority on GW all articles are
    >> re-edited by GW alarmist editors,
    >> The land temperature are contaminated with UHI.
    > These data are corrected for UHI, as my post clearly said.
    > ***********************

    > Global Temperatures, What The TRULY RURAL Stations Say

      Nice cherry-pick!  lol

  8. admin says:

    Poor Iimpotent Bonzo.  With all his incompetence and non stop lying, he is
    powerless
    to change the course of history.

    G8 ministers endorse greenhouse gas cuts by 2050
    ————————————————
    – May 25, 2008 =

    KOBE, Japan – Environmental ministers from the world’s top industrial
    countries say they have the political will to
    move toward cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2050.

    However, the announcement Monday by ministers meeting in Japan stopped short
    of setting a more contentious goal of
    slashing emissions by 2020.

    The G8 statement said that rich nations have the responsibility to take the
    lead in cutting emissions. The statement is
    aimed at setting the stage for the Group of Eight summit in Japan in July.