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Re: Drought Will Be The Norm Without Emissions Reductions

"Harry Hope" <riv…@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message

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> http://www.care2.com/causes/global-warming/blog/drought-will-be-the-n…
> Drought Will Be The Norm Without Emissions Reductions
> Climate change will likely cause warming temperatures that lead to
> widespread drought around the world in the next 30 years, according to
> a National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) study.

> Most of the western two-thirds of the U.S. will be much drier by the
> 2030s.

> Most of the Western Hemisphere, Eurasia, Africa, and Australia will be
> at risk of extreme drought this century.

Oh really?
Rainfall trend in Australia is UP!

Australia Has Wettest September On Record

So much for carbon crackpot lies about less Australian rainfall.

The previous record was 41mm in 1906, and the long-term September average is
17mm.

Also, 2010 is on track to be the sixth wettest year on record.

October 2 2010

Australia has had its wettest September in history, smashing a century-old
record with almost three times the long-term average rainfall for the month,
latest statistics show.

The September rain results are part of the Bureau of Meteorology’s latest
Special Climate Statement, released yesterday.

Blair Trewin, the bureau’s senior climatologist, said the influence of the
2010 La Nina event was creating almost perfect conditions across Australia,
but the rain-friendly climate was likely to break down by the end of the
year.

Overall September’s average rainfall was 49 millimetres across the country,
the heaviest rains falling in northern and central Australia.

The previous record was 41mm in 1906, and the long-term September average is
17mm.

”September is normally averaged the driest month over Australia during the
year,” Dr Trewin said. This year is on track to be the sixth wettest year
on record.

In NSW, September rains were significantly above the average for the state
at 50mm, while over the year NSW rainfall is 21 per cent above the long-term
average.

Dr Trewin said much of the state’s rain had been experienced in the
north-west, which suffered floods in January. The east coast and Sydney is
at or just below average levels for the year.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/september-the-wettest-on-re…

Warmest Regards

B0nz0

"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics

"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-great…

Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

Bertrand Russell

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4 Responses to “Re: Drought Will Be The Norm Without Emissions Reductions”

  1. admin says:

    "Phlip" <phlip2…@gmail.com> wrote in message

    news:62c24e63-4070-4c6e-aa9e-5d9b3d3cc7d8@l17g2000yqe.googlegroups.com…
    On Oct 29, 5:46 am, Catoni <caton…@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    > And the Sahel edge of the Sahara Desert is greening according to the
    > National Geographic…. and rainfall in the Kalahari Desert is
    > increasing…

    That’s why it has always been called "climate change", not "global
    warming", ever since the 1970s when it was predicted.

    Now how are Mt Kilimanjaro’s glaciers doing?
    ======================================

    Gore Was Dead Wrong Here As Well: Kilimanjaro Ice Loss Is Due To Extensive
    Local Deforestation

    ktwop

    The New Scientist reports a new paper by Nicholas Pepin from the University
    of Portsmouth and his colleagues which suggests that extensive local
    deforestation in recent decades has likely reduced this flow of  warm, moist
    air up the Kilimanjaro mountainside depleting the mountain’s icy hood.

    Trees play an important role here by providing moisture through
    transpiration which add to the ice cap.

    The montane circulation on Kilimanjaro, Tanzania and its relevance for the
    summit ice fields: Comparison of surface mountain climate with equivalent
    reanalysis parameters

    N.C. Pepin, W.J. Duane and D.R. Hardy

    Article in press: Global and Planetary Change

    Of course it’s possible that global warming led – by some unknown
    mechanism – to the deforestation – but it seems highly unlikely.

    http://ktwop.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/kilimanjaro-ice-loss-was-due-to

    Warmest Regards

    B0nz0

    "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
    US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
    worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
    from natural variation."

    Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

    "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
    have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
    side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
    wrong. Period."

    Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics

    "A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
    method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
    global warming."

    "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

    "Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
    show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
    result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
    and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

    "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

    "Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
    environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
    at condemning fossil fuels!"

    http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-great

    Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
    that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
    couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
    journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

    Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher

    "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
    it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
    mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."

    Bertrand Russell

  2. admin says:

    In sci.skeptic bbbbbbozo <j…@ynx.com> wrote:
    [...]
    > Now how are Mt Kilimanjaro’s glaciers doing?
    > ======================================
    > Gore Was Dead Wrong Here As Well: Kilimanjaro Ice Loss Is Due To Extensive
    > Local Deforestation

    [...]

    You’re shooting yourself in the foot again.

    Don’t admit any change is occuring because of the actions of mankind.

    If you admit deforestation causes glaciers to melt then you have lost.

    Deforestation is occuring everywhere all the time — anyone can
    read that in newspaper headlines — and you have proved there is at
    least one logical reason why climate change is most probably a reality.

    Tell them it’s not climate change but El Nino that’s causing warming.
    At least most people can’t understand how mankind can cause El Nino
    patterns to change. Tbey might easily believe it’s some kind of
    random event or Act of God.

    Again, I’d suggest your controllers bring you into "right-think" or give
    you the boot. You don’t seem to be able to edit the evidence to prove
    what you want.


    R Kym Horsell <k…@kymhorsell.com>

    If your ideas are any good you’ll have to ram them down people’s throats.
      — Howard Aiken

  3. admin says:

    <k…@kymhorsell.com> wrote in message

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    > In sci.skeptic bbbbbbozo <j…@ynx.com> wrote:
    > [...]
    >> Now how are Mt Kilimanjaro’s glaciers doing?
    >> ======================================
    >> Gore Was Dead Wrong Here As Well: Kilimanjaro Ice Loss Is Due To
    >> Extensive
    >> Local Deforestation
    > [...]

    > You’re shooting yourself in the foot again.

    > Don’t admit any change is occuring because of the actions of mankind.

    > If you admit deforestation causes glaciers to melt then you have lost.

    > Deforestation is occuring everywhere all the time — anyone can
    > read that in newspaper headlines — and you have proved there is at
    > least one logical reason why climate change is most probably a reality.

    The deforestation is a localised phemonenon causing a localised melt.
    No mention of climate change there!
    Only a whacko like Gore would state it was due to mythical manmade global
    warming!

    Warmest Regards

    B0nz0

    "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
    US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
    worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
    from natural variation."
    Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

    "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
    have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
    side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
    wrong. Period."
    Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics

    "A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
    method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
    global warming."
    "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

    "Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
    show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
    result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
    and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
    "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips

    "Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
    environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
    at condemning fossil fuels!"
    http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-great

    Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
    that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
    couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
    journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
    Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher

    "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that
    it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of
    mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."
    Bertrand Russell

  4. admin says:

    Australia’s emissions projected to rise sharply

    ABC News
    Tanya Nolan
    Feb 9, 2011

    Eleanor Hall: The Federal Government is using a report from its Department of
    Climate Change and Energy Efficiency to bolster its case for putting a price
    on carbon.

    The report shows that Australia’s carbon emissions will grow by as much as 24%
    above 2000 levels over the next nine y and the Minister, Greg Combet, says
    this means that Australia should have a carbon price by the end of this year.

    But the Opposition remains implacably opposed, saying it would simply be a tax
    on electricity.

    Tanya Nolan reports.

    TANYA NOLAN: It’s a black lining on the carbon cloud.  Modelling done by the
    Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency shows Australia is way off
    track in achieving a reduction in carbon emissions over the next decade.

    In fact it predicts emissions will rise steeply, to as much as 24% by
    2020 if Australia continues with business as usual.

    That’s the y the Government is hoping it will have achieved a 5 per cent
    decrease in carbon emissions, below 2000 levels.

    The Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, says there
    is a way to overcome the impasse.

    GREG COMBET: Of course what this demonstrates is that we need a carbon price
    in our economy, because that’s what’s necessary to cut pollution and drive
    investment in clean energy technologies like solar and wind power and also
    drive innovation and investment in energy efficiency.

    TANYA NOLAN: Mr Combet says at the current rate, reducing emissions by the
    five% target committed to at the Copenhagen climate summit would be equivalent
    to reducing emissions from power generation by 75 per cent.

    And he argues, without a price on carbon, that remains an unrealistic target.

    Combine that with a strong economy, projected to grow by more than three% over
    coming years, and the Government has a big challenge on its hands.

    GREG COMBET: Our economy, as it grows, is still very closely linked and drives
    growth in pollution, and essentially the successful economies of the future
    are going to decouple their pollution growth from their economic growth.

    And that’s the challenge that we’ve got. We’ve got one of the most emissions
    intensive economies in the world, 80% of our electricity comes from the
    burning of coal, that’s quite a high proportion internationally and we need to
    get our pollution levels down and drive investment in clean energy.

    TANYA NOLAN: But despite this it seems Australia is making some progress at
    cutting its carbon emissions.

    The independent, non-profit Climate Group has released its annual report
    showing that across the eastern states last year, emissions decreased by more
    than 2 per cent.

    The groups global director of energy, Rupert Posner, says the cuts are
    significant.

    RUPERT POSNER: Well if you look at the sorts of cuts in emissions that we need
    to meet the targets that the scientists say, these are the sorts of levels of
    emissions, cuts that we need to see y on year.  So last y we saw emissions
    down by nearly 2.2 per cent. The y before that it was down by 1.8 per
    cent. So if you compare that with previous years, where we saw emissions from
    energy continue to rise, it’s good to see that we’ve turned that around and
    emissions are starting to go down.

    TANYA NOLAN: While some of the factors driving cuts may be one-off, others are
    a result of government policy.

    But Rupert Posner says without the certainty of a carbon price, renewable
    energy and other low emissions technologies can’t help drive reductions much
    further.

    RUPERT POSNER: What is clear that a price on carbon is the most efficient way,
    its the cheapest way, to ensure that we get those reductions happening and
    it’s the only way to guarantee that investments in power stations are achieved
    in way that reduces greenhouse gas emissions.

    TANYA NOLAN: The Coalition maintains there is another way.  Shadow minister
    for climate action, Greg Hunt, says abatement measures can deliver emissions
    reductions

    GREG HUNT: Our task is to achieve an addition 160 mn tonnes of abatement. The
    way we do that is actually acquiring abatement rather than driving up
    electricity prices for the whole economy in the hope that that might reduce
    consumption.

    That has not happened on the basis of 60% increases in electricity charges
    over recent years. They’ve had a profound impact on pensioners and low income
    earners, but they haven’t had a profound impact on our consumption.

    TANYA NOLAN: But how can you be confident that these abatement measures that
    you describe can help Australia achieve reductions in emissions at the level
    that was agreed to at Copenhagen?

    GREG HUNT: Well very simply we produced written statements from ten different
    industry groups a y ago that set out their belief that they could produce, not
    just 160 mn tonnes of abatement, but 210 mn tonnes of abatement at a
    lower cost than we proposed, at a higher volume than we proposed.

    So we have been conservative in all of our estimates.

    TANYA NOLAN: The Coalition may remain opposed to a price on carbon but the
    Greens will assure any draft legislation smooth passage through the Senate.

    For now the Government is hoping the 2 Independents, Rob Oakeshott and Tony
    Windsor, will continue to lean towards the idea.

    ELEANOR HALL: Tanya Nolan reporting.

    [71 more news items]


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