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First they couldn't find the missing heat, and now they can't find the missing CO2

Back to the "drawing board" on glacial period carbon sinks…

From Oregon State University News, more news of unsettled science.

Nature study: Rising CO2 levels at end of Ice Age not tied to Pacific Ocean

CORVALLIS, Ore. – At the end of the last Ice Age, atmospheric carbon dioxide

levels rose rapidly as the planet warmed; scientists have long hypothesized

that the source was CO2 released from the deep ocean.

But a new study using detailed radiocarbon dating of foraminifera found in a

sediment core from the Gorda Ridge off Oregon reveals that the Northeast

Pacific was not an important reservoir of carbon during glacial times. The

finding may send scientists back to the proverbial drawing board looking for

other potential sources of CO2 during glacial periods.

The study, which was supported by the National Science Foundation and the

University of Michigan, was published online this week in Nature Geoscience.

"Frankly, we’re kind of baffled by the whole thing," said Alan Mix, a

professor of oceanography at Oregon State University and an author on the

study. "The deep North Pacific was such an obvious source for the carbon,

it just doesn’t match up. At least we’ve shown where the carbon wasn’t; now

just have to find out where it was."

During times of glaciation, global climate was cooler and atmospheric CO2

lower. Humans didn’t cause that CO2 change, so it implies that the carbon

absorbed by another reservoir. One obvious place to look for the missing

carbon is the ocean, where more than 90 percent of the Earth’s readily

exchangeable carbon is stored.

The Pacific Ocean is the largest ocean by volume. The deep water mass

isolated from the atmosphere and most enriched in carbon is found today in

Northeast Pacific, so the researchers focused their efforts there. They

hypothesized that the ventilation age in this basin – or the amount of time

since deep water was last in contact with the atmosphere – would be older

during glacial times, allowing CO2 to accumulate in the abyss.

"We were surprised to find that during the last ice age, the deep Northeast

Pacific had a similar ventilation age to today, indicating it was an

place to hide the missing carbon," said David Lund, a paleoceanographer at

University of Michigan, formerly at Oregon State, and lead author on the

Nature Geosciences paper.

"This indicates that the deep Pacific was not an important sink of carbon

during glacial times," Lund added. "Even more intriguing is that we found

ventilation age increased during the deglaciation, at the exact time that

atmospheric CO2 levels were rising."

The researchers reconstructed the ventilation history of the deep North

Pacific, examining the sediments at a site about 75 miles off the coast of

southwestern Oregon. There the water is more than a mile-and-a-half deep and

is known as the oldest water mass in the modern oceans, Mix said. By

radiocarbon dating both the planktonic, or surface-dwelling, and benthic

(seafloor-dwelling) foraminifera, the scientists can determine whether the

isotopic signatures of the foraminifera match "values predicted by the

assumption of oceanic control of the atmosphere."

The organisms that lived on the seafloor have older "apparent" radiocarbon

ages than the organisms that lived at the sea surface, Mix said, even though

both come from the same sediment sample and are of the same true age. The

radiocarbon dating was performed using an advance particle accelerator by

authors’ colleague, John Southon of the University of California at Irvine.

"Different sources of CO2 have different apparent ages, depending on how

they have been isolated from the atmosphere," Mix said. "We use these dates

kind of a ‘return address label’ rather than to establish precise ages of

events. The bottom line is that the deep North Pacific wasn’t the source of

rising CO2 at the end of the last ice age."

The study is important not just in tracing climatic history, scientists say,

but in forecasting how the Earth may respond to future climate change. The

Earth "breathes carbon in and out," Mix said, inhaling carbon into sediment

and soils, while exhaling it via volcanism and a slow exchange between the

oceans, soils and plant life with the atmosphere.

When everything is in balance, the Earth is said to be in a "steady state."

But on numerous occasions in the past, the carbon balance has shifted out of


"Because the ocean is such a huge repository of carbon, a relatively small

change in the oceans can have a major impact," Mix said. "We know ocean

circulation changed during the ice ages and that is why many scientists

assumed the deep Pacific Ocean was the source for rising CO2 levels during

last deglaciation."

Lund said it "is conceivable that we are misunderstanding the radiocarbon

signal by assuming it is controlled by ocean mixing."

"These are volcanically active regions, so the input of carbon from

which lacks radiocarbon because of its great age, needs to be looked at,"

pointed out. "But it is premature to draw any conclusions."

The researchers’ next step will be to look for chemical traces of volcanic


Another source of carbon could be from land, though the authors say it would

be difficult to account for the magnitude of atmospheric carbon increase and

the apparent radiocarbon age of released carbon by pre-industrial

sources alone.

"If we can better understand how carbon has moved through the Earth’s

in the past, and how this relates to climate change, we will better predict

how the carbon we are now adding to the atmosphere will move in the future,"

Mix said.

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Re: Averting catastrophe

On Oct 4, 1:01 pm, Falcon <fal…> wrote:

- — -

> From the Bish @ typos corrected).

> I am grateful to a reader for alerting me to an article in The Chemical

> Engineer by Stephen Bush and David MacDonald on the subject of the UK’s

> looming energy catastrophe. It’s not online, but here are some excerpts:

> In the UK, the Climate Change Act 2000 has set the country the challenging

> target of reducing emissions of CO2 and CO2 equivalents by 34% from 1990

> levels by 2020, 50% by 2027, and 80% by 2050, though the 2027 target is

> subject to review in 2014. Coupled with rising demand and the already

> painful impact of higher energy prices, meeting this target will be

> challenging indeed, leaving some engineers to wonder what it will take to

> square this circle.

> The number of installations required to generate the electricity to
> replace

> fossil fuels depends on their capacity and availability. A 1,600 MW Areva-

> type nuclear reactor working at 80% availability generates 11 TW/yr, so

> around 13 would need to be built to meet the 2020 target; an impossible

> task. A 3 MW wind turbine with 75 m blades on an 80 m mast onshore has

> achieved average availability of around 24%, while for offshore 30% future

> availability is claimed yielding 6.3 GW/yr and 7.9 GW/yr respectively. To

> meet the 2020 target would require 20,000 and 16,000 turbines
> respectively,

> an equally impossible task over nine years (six to be built every day).
> The

> 2027 target is even further out of reach.

> [Note: I think the units should be TWh/yr and GWh/yr, but never mind.]

> Averting catastrophe

> Readers will draw their own conclusions from the inexorable figures above.

> but for these authors only a system with its baseload provided by nuclear

> power supplemented by gas for peak demand, and retaining the existing wind

> investment can possibly supply the UK long term with the huge amounts of

> secure and reliable, predominantly electrical energy it needs. To actually

> achieve a changeover to a largely non-fossil fuel economy without wreaking

> catastrophe on our industries the targets set by The Climate Change Act

> 2008 will have to be pushed back no matter whatever combination of

> electricity generating technologies is built.

> Comment.

> In his conference speech yesterday, George Osborne flagged up a retreat by

> saying that we’re not going to save the planet by putting ourselves out of

> business.

> Maybe the Conservatives are not so green (pun intended) after all.

> –

> Falcon:

> fide, sed cui vide. (L)

> [Stalker/Troll filter applied]

Britain has 35,000 years worth of coal deposits.

It is time we reopened our coal mines and:

1) Provide cheap electricity for the country.

2) Export coal which due to the reduced strength of Sterling will be

an attractive produce abroad.

3) Provide plenty of CO2 to boost crop yields.

4) Maybe provide some warming to offset the general temperature

decline over the last 10,000 years

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Sort of like a real car, except it allegedly helps prevent hurricanes

The Nissan Leaf: Sort of like a real car, except it allegedly helps

prevent hurricanes, it’s often powered by coal, it may take 12+ hours to

"refill", and it may not get you home if your return trip isn’t all


Nissan’s all-electric LEAF requires a mental


But (and yes, there are a lot of buts with the LEAF), while the 75

mile range I had when I first received the full-charged car slowly

disappeared during urban, low-speed driving, it drastically evaporated

when I ran the car at 75 mpg down to Castle Rock.

  More annoyingly, the car’s extremely comprehensive navigation and

interactivity system (your LEAF is a bit of a test vehicle and is

sending data back to Nissan as you drive) sent me to an empty cul-de-sac

as a listed recharging station, and I opted to take back roads and drive

slowly to get back to the hotel to charge the car.

  Alternately, you can use the supplied power cord to simply plug the

LEAF into a household 110-volt outlet, but it takes 21 hours to fully

charge. LEAF owners will have their garages wired for the same 240-volt

charger I found at the hotel, and this will recharge the car in about

seven hours. As mentioned, even three-plus hours on one of these

chargers only got me about a quarter of a virtual tank extra.

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Re: USA turns Socialist?

On 4/10/2011 7:25 AM, DonH wrote:

> The one great weakness of capitalism is – it has to try to appear

> democratic.

ROTFL. You have it totally face about.

Democracy has tried socialism and failed. And everytime it tries it, it
fails and comes back to the simple fact that you can’t have a viable
society where everyone is a public servant.

Someone has to make the bread.

Instead of regurgitating Marx, do yourself a favour and study the Laffer

- — -

>    Indeed, the West has equated capitalism with democracy, which was its

> great challenge to the Soviet Union – lack of Freedom&  Democracy.

>    Unfortunately, Fall of the Berlin Wall didn’t result in the implied

> Utopian era, as capitalism is essentially elitist in economic reality, and

> entrenched capitalism tends to plutocracy.

>    While encouraging an "Arab Spring" (now Autumn) might free up

> Mediterranean and Middle Eastern States for Transnational penetration, it is

> somewhat different when Freedom Fighters take to the streets in Europe,

> Britain, and even USA.

>     While waving banners and shouting is one thing, beware lest the Rabble

> get organised and start forming a political party of their own.  Not that

> putting a bit of paper in the magic box is going to get them far, but

> capitalism may end up being hoist by its own petard.  You never know.

>      But if "capitalist democracy" comes to the crunch, it tends to abolish

> democracy, rather than capitalism – as Allende and the Chileans discovered.

>      Communism is not the only alternative to capitalism; as there can be

> socialism, which is somewhere in between the two.  Not Bee Hive, or Jungle -

> but Herd.

>      Humans are social animals, and cooperation is more natural than endless

> competition.

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After carbon

Many environmentalists believe that carbon dioxide from the burning of

fossil fuels will cause a climate crisis toward the end of this century.

Environmentalists also raise the alarm that we have reached "peak oil"

and that fossil fuels will run out by the middle of the century. That

both views cannot be true rarely seems to bother those who hold them.

Either consequence, we’re told, makes the world’s conversion to a low-

carbon energy system an urgent matter.

Robert Laughlin, who won a Nobel Prize for his work in quantum physics,

takes a rather different view. He thinks that "one can’t find much

actual global warming in present-day weather observations" and that "the

final demise of carbon burning is so far away, perhaps ten generations,

that it’s quite irrelevant to energy problems of today." And so in

"Powering the Future" he takes up the problem of energy use two

centuries from now, on the assumption that it will take that long for us

to run out of, or give up, fossil fuels.

Matt Ridley reviews "Powering the Future" by Robert Laughlin (Link to

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The truthiness chasm of agw

It seems that every single alarmist online media report I read, where

they allow comments, is followed by literally hundreds of people

making fun of it or punching huge holes in the fraudulent agw "facts"

being reported upon. The chasm is huge. You have these massive

monolithic media institutions repeatedly and blindly printing known

out-and-out agw lies by rote, only to be slammed down repeatedly and

mercilessly by their own readership. Yet they continue. Day after day,

month after month. Reporting all the agw crap that is put out there.

The result is an intelligent readership who rightly sees the media not

as a fair and balanced defender of freedoms and democracy, but as a

twisted agenda-driven controlled entity under someones explicit

direction and at odds with the true facts.

Two things. 1) Thank god for the freedom of the internet and 2) this

can only lead to serious scepticism towards govts, media, and national

and especially international institutions (ie. The United Nations).

Seriously, a lot of people are seeing the evil of the UN and the media

clearly. It is time we start taking aim, not at these piddly little

idiot climate modellers and hockey stick graph fudgers, but we need to

nip this shit in the bud. Ban the United Nations. De-fund them. Shut

them down.

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Mythical AGW Is Dangerous! Armed Troops Burn Down Homes, Kill Children To Evict Ugandans In Name Of Global Warming

Mythical AGW Is Dangerous! Armed Troops Burn Down Homes, Kill Children To
Evict Ugandans In Name Of Global Warming…

Armed Troops Burn Down Homes, Kill Children To Evict Ugandans In Name

Of Global Warming

September 23, 2011

Neo-colonial land grabs carried out on behalf of World Bank-backed

British company

Armed troops acting on behalf of a British carbon trading company

backed by the World Bank burned houses to the ground and killed

children to evict Ugandans from their homes in the name of seizing

land to protect against "global warming," a shocking illustration of

how the climate change con is a barbarian form of neo-colonialism.

The evictions were ordered by New Forests Company, an outfit that

seizes land in Africa to grow trees then sells the "carbon credits" on

to transnational corporations. The company is backed by the World Bank

and HSBC. Its Board of Directors [1] includes HSBC Managing Director

Sajjad Sabur, as well as other former Goldman Sachs investment


The company claims residents of Kicucula left in a "peaceful" and

"voluntary" manner, and yet the people tell a story of terror and


Villagers told of how armed "security forces" stormed their village

and torched houses, burning an eight-year-child to death as they

threatened to murder anyone who resisted while beating others.

"We were in church," recalled Jean-Marie Tushabe, 26, a father of two.

"I heard bullets being shot into the air."

"Cars were coming with police," Mr. Tushabe said, sitting among the

ruins of his old home. "They headed straight to the houses. They took

our plates, cups, mattresses, bed, pillows. Then we saw them getting a

matchbox out of their pockets."

"But in this case, the government and the company said the settlers

were illegal and evicted for a good cause: to protect the environment

and help fight global warming," reports the New York Times [2].

An Oxfam report documents how the British outfit has worked with the

Ugandan government to forcibly expel over 20,000 people from their

homes using terror and violence as part of a lucrative scramble for

arable land that can be used to satisfy the multi-billion dollar

carbon trading ponzi scheme, which is worth $1.8 million a year to the


"I no longer own any land. It’s impossible to feed my children – they

have suffered so much. Some days all they eat is porridge from maize

flour. When people can’t eat well their bodies become weak – there

have been lots of cases of malaria and diarrhoea. Some days we don’t

eat anything at all," said former farmer Francis Longoli [3], whose

land was stolen by New Forests.

As we have previously documented, the manufactured threat of man-made

global warming is being used as a tool of neo-colonialism in the third

world, not only through the seizure of land and infrastructure,

thereby preventing poor nations from using their resources to develop,

but by literally starving poverty-stricken people to death.

Climate change alarmism and implementation of global warming policies

is a crime of the highest nature, because it is already having a

genocidal impact in countries like Haiti, where the doubling of food

prices is resulting in a substantial increase in starvation, poverty

and death, with the population being forced to live on mud pies.

.A d v e r t i s e m e n t

.As a National Geographic Report confirmed [5], "With food prices

rising, Haiti’s poorest can’t afford even a daily plate of rice, and

some must take desperate measures to fill their bellies," by "eating

mud," partly as a consequence of "increasing global demand for


In April 2008, World Bank President Robert Zoellick admitted [6] that

biofuels were a "significant contributor" to soaring food prices that

have led to poor people dying from starvation as a result of biofuels

dominating land that would normally be used to harvest food.

Even man-made global warming advocate George Monbiot admits that

promotion of biofuels "is causing starvation in the poor world," [7]

particularly in Swaziland, where the decision to allocate several

thousand hectares of farmland to ethanol production despite the

country being in the grip of a famine was labeled "a crime against

humanity" by Jean Ziegler, the UN’s special rapporteur.

But it’s not just biofuels, a product of global warming alarmism, that

are unleashing a genocide against black people in poorer countries,

it’s the whole anti-development mantra embraced by climate change

activists that is being enforced by supranational organizations like

the World Bank and the IMF in the name of reducing carbon dioxide, the

evil life-giving gas that plants breathe and humans exhale.

Indeed, poorer countries rejected the 2009 Copenhagen climate

agreement precisely because it discriminated against third world

nations [8].

In addition, the Obama administration, firmly supported by Al Gore,

last year ordered the World Bank [9] to keep "developing" countries

underdeveloped by blocking them from building coal-fired power plants,

ensuring that poorer countries remain in poverty as a result of energy

demands not being met.

By preventing poor nations from becoming self-sufficient in blocking

them from producing their own energy, the Obama administration is

ensuring that millions more will die from starvation and lack of

access to hospitals and medical treatment.

While ignorant environmentalist leftists preach all day about the

effects of global warming having the most impact on poorer countries,

it is in fact the poorer countries and their people who are suffering

most from global warming alarmism, and predators like the

banker-backed New Forests Company.

The seizure of arable land in the name of "global warming" is set to

become big business, which is why the United Nations recently

announced [10] it is preparing to roll out an army of green helmeted

"climate peacekeepers" to intervene in poorer countries to protect

"shrinking resources".

Transnational corporations, in league with western governments and

offshore banks, have seized upon the climate change scam to carry out

genocidal policies and land grabs in the pursuit of selling carbon

credits to other transnational corporations who then merely pass on

the cost to the consumer.

"We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our

homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other

countries are going to say OK." —  Barack Obama

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to

escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. — Marcus Aurelius

"…the whole world, including the United States, including all that

we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark

Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights

of perverted science." — Sir Winston Churchill

Joseph R. Darancette


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Opaque Labor waste

"Dirtiest coal-power plants to be closed


The federal government has called for expressions of interest to close
down 2000-megawatts of the nation’s dirtiest power generation by 2020.

Brown coal-fired power stations including Hazelwood, Energy Brix,
Yallourn and Playford are the most likely contenders for the
*undisclosed* amount of taxpayer funding on offer.


Mr Combet said the amount of money on offer to the power companies would
*not* *be* *disclosed* as this would undermine the government’s
negotiating position and taxpayers would not get best value for money".…

This is absurd Green-left Labor insanity. For a start, *none* of these
power stations are ‘dirty’. All have scrubbers installed and all meet
pollution controls.

He’s talking about ‘carbon’ of course and CO2 must be demonised so that
these Labor idiots can pursue their insane objective to kill ‘carbon’.

Of course planting a few trees would be equally *pointless* but it
wouldn’t be such a visible act – and it would be hard to hide the cost.

And how will he hide the cost from parliament? Leave it out of the budget?

Labor morons.

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Swan is 'absolutely determined' to be an idiot

Swannie is ‘absolutely determined’ to b-b-b-b-b-alance to b-b-b-b-b-udget.

Listen to this:

"Wayne Swan says the Government is ‘determined’ to deliver a budget
surplus next financial year despite taking a $130 billion hit from the
global financial crisis.

The Federal Treasurer has revealed a deficit of nearly $48 billion for
the 2010-11 financial year.

Final budget outcome figures from last financial year released today
show tax receipts came in $1.7 billion below the prediction of this
year’s budget, which will make the forecast surplus hard to achieve".

Okay, so he’s $1.7b short on receipts but he’s taking a $130 billion hit???

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Re: CO2 Is At, Historically, Dangerously Low Levels

In message <4e83d…>, DeadlyAGWBull
<DeadlyAGWBull@DeadlyAGWBull.?.invalid> writes

>One reason we never reach this mythical "tipping point" is because every

>additional molecule of CO2 has exponentially LESS warming effect than the

>one which preceded it. Even the alarmists acknowledge this. CO2 absorbs

>energy at specific and relatively narrow wavelengths. Once all the energy at

>those wavelengths is absorbed, additional CO2 has NO IMPACT!

"If the CO2 effect was saturated, adding more CO2 should add no
additional greenhouse effect. However, satellite and surface
measurements observe an enhanced greenhouse effect at the wavelengths
that CO2 absorb energy. This is empirical proof that the CO2 effect is
not saturated."

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